"Ask The Oliver Mechanic" - August, 2012 Archives


1855 Hydraulics

IP: 74.32.249.22 Posted on August 31, 2012 at 11:16:19 PM by Austin

Hi we have an 1855 that we are having Hydraulic problems with. We had the local dealer put on a new hydraulic pump and set the priority valve. the tractor has a low pitch squealing noise in the pump. It almost sounds like it is starving the pump for oil. is this supposed to make that sound or is there another problem causing it? Thanks

Re(1): 1855 Hydraulics

IP: 75.107.96.58 Posted on September 2, 2012 at 03:28:31 PM by Larry Harsin

I would have the local dealer come back out and take care of this. If you continue to use it, you might ruin it. Larry


low pressure to power steering

IP: 74.46.114.56 Posted on August 30, 2012 at 08:40:49 PM by Dale Gasper

My 1963 Oliver 1600 has only 500 lbs. pressure to the power steering motor. there is 1500 lbs at the remotes. the priority valve spool is not stuck. I'm not sure where to go next.

Re(1): low pressure to power steering

IP: 75.105.32.52 Posted on August 31, 2012 at 07:33:47 AM by Larry Harsin

I'd order some shims for the relief valve and I'd put on about 3 or 4 shims and try that. Then, see what you get and adjust it accordingly. Larry


Oliver 1250 diesel 4x4 transfer case gasket leak

IP: 97.93.1.5 Posted on August 30, 2012 at 06:46:22 PM by Brendan

My Oliver 1250 diesel 4x4 transfer case gasket is leaking fluid. Where can i find a new gasket? And how hard is it to repair. It looks like there are only 4 bolts holding the case but are there internal gears that don't want to be moved?

Re(1): Oliver 1250 diesel 4x4 transfer case gasket leak

IP: 75.105.32.39 Posted on August 31, 2012 at 07:32:06 AM by Larry Harsin

I would just make a gasket for it. I would even consider using high temperature silicone and eliminating the gasket. Larry


Piston sleeve

IP: 65.167.211.242 Posted on August 29, 2012 at 07:55:32 AM by Mike

I am currently installing piston sleeves in a Super 77 Diesel. I have cleaned the sleeve journals over and over again and when the sleeves are checked for protrusion, it measures .006 to .004 with a depth guage. I was told the tolerance should be .001 to .004. I have used a regular micrometer and get measurements anywhere from .002 to .004. What would you suggest for the next step.

Re(1): Piston sleeve

IP: 75.104.160.54 Posted on August 31, 2012 at 07:30:20 AM by Larry Harsin

If they are perfectly clean and you don't have more than .002 variation between them, I would go ahead and install them. Larry


Modern Replacement Crank Seals

IP: 152.5.254.20 Posted on August 28, 2012 at 02:21:56 PM by Roger

Is there a modern replacement for the original style cork front and rear crank seals such as for the Super 55? If so, what are the part numbers that could be easily crossed over at places like NAPA? If not, what are the factory Oliver/White part numbers?

Re(1): Modern Replacement Crank Seals

IP: 75.105.32.52 Posted on August 29, 2012 at 07:46:59 AM by Larry Harsin

For the Oliver/White part numbers, call Tom at O'Brien Co. Impl. 800-320-6224. For the NAPA numbers, check with NAPA. Larry


Side curtains

IP: 70.39.6.221 Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:32:18 AM by Brian Goll

Larry, what years and models of 77's/88's had the full side curtains and which did not? Also, what year was the switch made from red, green, and yellow tractors to the white and green?

Re(1): Side curtains

IP: 75.105.32.39 Posted on August 28, 2012 at 07:58:21 AM by Larry Harsin

All of the 77's and 88's up to the Supers, had full side curtains. The colors changed when they came with the 3 digit tractors in the fall of 1958. Larry


Early 40s oc3 loader

IP: 174.252.54.72 Posted on August 26, 2012 at 08:07:43 PM by Roland

Looking for info on SN and date of mfg for an oc3 crawler with loader. Can anyone explain the oc3 designation does that refer to a 3000 lb base machine? We are about to start a restoration and would appreciate any info.

Re(1): Early 40s oc3 loader

IP: 75.104.160.54 Posted on August 27, 2012 at 07:45:28 AM by Larry Harsin

Ask Landis Zimmerman in Ephrata PA about this. He is the Cletrac Expert. Email: zoc@pcfreemail.com Website: www.olivercletrac.com


Type of oil to use in a 1850

IP: 96.8.161.108 Posted on August 25, 2012 at 06:39:19 AM by Larry Stahl

I just purchased a Oliver 1850 Diesel (one owner). I need to add/change oil in the Hydraulic unit. My operator's manual said to use SAE 10 Supplemen 1 engine oil or Type "A" Automatic Transmission Fluid. But NAPA does not have Type A, only Type F and Dextron. I need to work the tractor, so please let me know what else there is to use. Thank you.

Re(1): Type of oil to use in a 1850

IP: 97.73.64.156 Posted on August 26, 2012 at 07:00:56 AM by larry from maryland

Dextron replaced type A ,but those systems will work with any good hydrolic oil.

Re(2): Type of oil to use in a 1850

IP: 99.196.64.57 Posted on August 27, 2012 at 08:24:06 AM by Larry Harsin

I also use Dextron. Larry


Oliver walk behind plow

IP: 70.94.244.72 Posted on August 23, 2012 at 07:39:10 PM by Melissa Eisner

I just bought a Oliver walk behind plow for my dad as his 70th birthday gift. He is a huge collector. He currently has Minneapolis- Molines, so this plow I felt would be ideal. I just would like to find more information on it though. It is stamped 404 Oliver. I have tried to look on the internet, but not found any thing. Hopefully you will be able to give me some insight so that I can share it with my dad.

Re(1): Oliver walk behind plow

IP: 76.208.20.73 Posted on August 24, 2012 at 03:17:04 PM by 90%ret'd

http://www.floydcountymuseum.org/ Travis Childs at the Center for History (education@centerforhistory.org) Above are a couple of links where you could contact some one to check if they have anything

Re(2): Oliver walk behind plow

IP: 75.104.160.54 Posted on August 27, 2012 at 07:34:03 AM by Larry Harsin

In "The Book of Oliver" Vol. 2, it says: "The 404-X and 405 series (plow) contain a variety of steel, combination and chilled plows with both wood and steel beams which are particularly adapted for plowing weedy and soggy bottom land. They are also equally well adapted for plowing hard, dry ground, for plowing under small brush and for work in stony and gravelly land when equipped with chilled moldboards. The moldboard is high to give great capacity. There is ample clearance under the beams for turning under weeds and heavy trash without clogging. The rear of the moldboard is curved to pulverize the soil well Frog and standard is on piece--gives great strength and a rigid backing to moldboard and share." The book also has pictures of the plows. Larry


550 Diesel Oil Pressure

IP: 67.235.234.194 Posted on August 17, 2012 at 09:28:43 AM by Mike McIntosh

We are getting 7 lbs. oil pressure at idle and 15lbs. at 2000 rpm. Is this acceptable and if not what should we be looking at to get the pressure back up to specs ?

Re(1): 550 Diesel Oil Pressure

IP: 75.104.160.36 Posted on August 20, 2012 at 07:36:16 AM by Larry Harsin

Yes. That is o.k. Larry


77 engine head

IP: 24.31.182.31 Posted on August 17, 2012 at 08:46:37 AM by Mike

I have a 1955 Oliver Super 77 diesel. During overhaul on engine, I have discovered three cracks in the valve ports of the head. Is there any other diesel head that would fit the 77 engine?

Re(1): 77 engine head

IP: 75.104.160.54 Posted on August 20, 2012 at 07:34:34 AM by Larry Harsin

A 770 head or a 1550 head would fit it. If that was my head, I'd take it to a machine shop and have it pressure tested. If it tested o.k., I would use it. Larry


Parts oliver 1250

IP: 74.198.165.98 Posted on August 13, 2012 at 01:04:34 PM by Claude Voisine

I have a tractor oliver 1250 gas, 1967 here in Canada not possible to have parts for distributor (Cap, rotor etc..) Do you have a place for buy this? if not, do you have suggestion for replace completely distributor, what kind or mark you suggest to me

Re(1): parts oliver 1250

IP: 75.105.32.39 Posted on August 14, 2012 at 08:04:16 AM by Larry Harsin

Check with a NAPA store for electrical parts for the 1250. If you don't have NAPA stores in Canada, you can try: napaonline.com For other parts, check with Rick's Ag Parts in Wooster OH. Email: info@ricksagparts.com The 1250 is one of the Fiat Olivers made in Italy. Larry


1955 pto

IP: 166.182.3.91 Posted on August 12, 2012 at 08:07:40 PM by noel glastetter

I have an oliver 1955 and the pto slows down and quits altogether after about 2 hrs of use.Do you have any suggestions for this problem?

Re(1): 1955 pto

IP: 75.105.32.52 Posted on August 14, 2012 at 07:55:43 AM by Larry Harsin

Apparently, you are losing pressure to keep the clutch engaged. Either the tractor is not able to maintain the pressure after the oil gets warm. Or, the PTO clutch pack is leaking off the oil faster than the tractor can furnish it. I recommend you get a Service Manual from the Museum in Charles City. 641-228-1099. Larry

Re(2): 1955 pto

IP: 166.181.3.229 Posted on August 19, 2012 at 05:56:09 PM by noel

Been doing some simple hydraulic checks, and the bleeder valve on top of the filter sucks air when I open it. Can't find a solution in the IT manual. Thanks.

Re(3): 1955 pto

IP: 99.196.64.57 Posted on August 22, 2012 at 07:18:22 AM by Larry Harsin

That filter is on the suction side of the pump. So, when you open it, you hear the sucking. That's the way they are sometimes. The best thing to do is keep a clean filter and light oil in there. That is one place where you should be particular about the oil you use. Get this oil from AGCO. Larry


770 Alternator Bracket

IP: 72.224.186.240 Posted on August 11, 2012 at 10:41:14 PM by Nick

I've got a 770 that currently has a generator on it and the generator has been acting up and I'm thinking of putting an alternator on it instead. I have the lower bracket and the upper slotted bracket for an alternator that came of a different 770. The problem though is the bracket that holds the generator is bolted on with 5/16 bolts, and the alternator bracket has 1/2 bolts. When they switched to alternators did they just drill two of the holes out larger or what?

Re(1): 770 Alternator Bracket

IP: 75.104.160.54 Posted on August 14, 2012 at 07:51:13 AM by Larry Harsin

No. You'll have to rework your brackets to fit the alternator onto the older engine. I usually try to leave the tractor as it was originally, by repairing the generator. Larry


Installing piston pins

IP: 24.31.182.31 Posted on August 11, 2012 at 08:28:15 PM by Mike

Do piston pins need to be pressed in the rod on an Oliver Super 77 Diesel or can the rod be heated so it expands ?

Re(1): installing piston pins

IP: 97.73.64.153 Posted on August 12, 2012 at 07:58:42 AM by larry from maryland

Niether one the rods are honed so you have a finger press fit.

Re(2): installing piston pins

IP: 99.196.64.57 Posted on August 14, 2012 at 07:47:50 AM by Larry Harsin

The piston pins should just be pressed by your thumbs. Take your rods and the wrist pins to your machinist and have him hone the rods to fit the pins. Larry


550 Tack Drive

IP: 70.41.128.75 Posted on August 11, 2012 at 05:31:35 PM by Don K.

Larry I have a bad tack drive gear on my 550 Oliver. The gear and shaft, pn#101709-A, in the adapter assembly that engages the distributor gear is bad. The distributor gear looks good. I am trying to remove the gear and shaft from the adapter assembly without wrecking anything. Looking at the parts book, it looks like the gear and shaft withdraws from the block mounting end of the adapter. Is this correct? Is the gear, 100583-A, pressed onto the other end of the shaft holding it from withdrawing?

Re(1): 550 Tack Drive

IP: 75.105.32.52 Posted on September 3, 2012 at 10:12:46 AM by Larry Harsin

Yes. That gear is pressed on and has to be pressed apart. Larry


77 gas governor

IP: 23.29.195.225 Posted on August 9, 2012 at 08:00:56 PM by Gord

Hello Larry. I have recently revived a gas 77 standard, and the rpm is all over the map while using a bush hog style mower. While at full throttle, it wanders from about 12 to 2600rpm. The external linkage seems to move freely, is there something internal that might be rusty or broken? The governor seems to cut in when the engine is pulled down under load. Ideas?

Re(1): 77 gas governor

IP: 75.104.160.36 Posted on August 10, 2012 at 06:56:50 AM by Larry Harsin

I think you should take the governor apart and see what is broken. Larry


Oliver 1800 A

IP: 69.128.174.106 Posted on August 9, 2012 at 02:49:41 PM by Greg

hi, i own a 1960 or 1961 oliver 1800 A gas and i was wondering if you happen to know what the rear end and transmission take for kind of oil. Thanks!

Re(1): Oliver 1800 A

IP: 75.107.96.58 Posted on August 10, 2012 at 06:55:21 AM by Larry Harsin

Use 80 - 90 transmission oil. Larry


1650 Charging system

IP: 71.161.76.55 Posted on August 9, 2012 at 10:38:03 AM by Ward

I have a diesel 1650 with strong batteries and a new alternator, but the ammeter shows practically 'off the scale' plus charging. Is there an actual voltage regulator somewhere on the machine? I was told the alternator had it built in, but must have a wire loose or crossed or something.

Re(1): 1650 Charging system

IP: 97.73.64.150 Posted on August 9, 2012 at 11:29:47 AM by larry from maryland

They came from the factory with an external regulator, just to the rear of the alternator. After all thease years many have have been replaced with the newer internal regulator altenators. If they get over heated they can go full charge all the time, or they can do that with bad grounds or loose wireing.Allso the guage can be bad or have a bad ground.Some repair places will test your alternator for free and see if its the problem.


Oliver 550 Diesel Oil Pressure

IP: 67.235.234.194 Posted on August 8, 2012 at 09:37:44 AM by Mike McIntosh

What is the correct oil pressure for a 550 Diesel ? Re(1): Oliver 550 Diesel Oil Pressure

IP: 75.107.96.58 Posted on August 10, 2012 at 06:50:29 AM by Larry Harsin

The 550 diesel, 12 - 20 lbs. Larry


1655 Distributor

IP: 159.182.1.4 Posted on August 7, 2012 at 08:25:36 AM by Mark in Minn.

I have a 1655 that shelled out a hole in the side of the distributer.What would have caused this? Is it a common thing to happen? It is a Mallory, do you have any parts or a replacement of some sort?

Re(1): 1655 Distributor

IP: 75.105.32.52 Posted on August 10, 2012 at 06:49:13 AM by Larry Harsin

The fly weights came apart or something came loose and out she went. It isn't common, but it can happen. You will have to get a new distributor. I don't have one. Ag Parts First advertises them in the HPOCA magazine. 866-264-9720. Larry


Oliver 88 Diesel

IP: 75.245.133.11 Posted on August 4, 2012 at 11:15:58 PM by Chad

I have a Oliver 88 diesel that has a miss in it. The owner before me said it ran fine untill one day the air cleaner that sticks through the hood filled up with water. When he started the engine the water was sucked through and after that it started missing. Any ideas of what might have happened. Thanks for your help

Re(1): Oliver 88 Diesel

IP: 75.104.160.36 Posted on August 5, 2012 at 09:57:35 AM by Larry Harsin

I don't know. Just start looking. There could be a valve stuck or a push rod dislocated or something else broken. Larry

Re(2): Oliver 88 Diesel IP: 209.50.28.51 Posted on August 7, 2012 at 09:01:09 PM by B A Star

Since water can not be compressed, when the engine was started the water went in on top of a piston. The engine now has a bent connecting rod, thus the piston is not rising in the cylinder reducing the compression ratio, thus not enough heat to fire the fuel. Run it with the exhause manifold off to see which cylnder has the bent rod, it will be the one with the white smoke coming from the port.


1850 transmission

IP: 166.147.72.146 Posted on August 3, 2012 at 00:15:26 AM by Hunter Hamaker

I just bought my 1850 and it has a transmission issue when u put it in any gear it locks up it rolls fine out of gear what could this be and how big of a job is it to fix

Re(1): 1850 transmission

IP: 99.196.64.57 Posted on August 3, 2012 at 07:16:12 AM by Larry Harsin

Take the top off the transmission and see what you can see. Has it been run low on oil??? That's what the problem is with most of them. When you find out what is wrong, you'll find out how big of a job it is. Larry

Re(2): 1850 transmission

IP: 166.147.72.22 Posted on August 4, 2012 at 02:47:29 PM by Hunter Hamaker

If it has been run low on oil what should I look for to be wrong

Re(3): 1850 transmission

IP: 99.196.64.57 Posted on August 5, 2012 at 09:55:30 AM by Larry Harsin

The first thing that suffers is the cluster on the input shaft. Larry

Re(4): 1850 transmission

IP: 166.147.72.21 Posted on August 5, 2012 at 01:12:28 PM by Hunter Hamaker

Ok thank you I had heard that might b it if it is are the parts hard to get to fix it

Re(5): 1850 transmission

IP: 75.105.32.39 Posted on August 6, 2012 at 06:57:46 AM by Larry Harsin

Parts availability isn't too bad. I would probably have what you need. 712-362-2966


1600 Hydra-Power

IP: 75.68.155.24 Posted on August 2, 2012 at 01:05:46 PM by Pat Prouty

What type of oil should I run in my 1600 Hydra-Power Unit? It says Type "A" transmission oil only on the dip stick but everyone I have asked doesn't know what that is.

Re(1): 1600 Hydra-Power

IP: 99.21.222.61 Posted on August 2, 2012 at 02:21:22 PM by Gengler

I have used Dexron for the last 10yrs. in mine.

Re(2): 1600 Hydra-Power

IP: 75.107.96.58 Posted on August 3, 2012 at 07:13:11 AM by Larry Harsin

Use automatic transmission fluid. Dexron or it's equivalent. Larry


Deciphering serial plate

IP: 184.71.70.246 Posted on August 2, 2012 at 11:19:56 AM by Jennifer

Recently my husband purchased an Oliver 1650. Model number is 365-21315 and the s/n is 207-032-452. Help would be appreciated to figure the year of our tractor as we are looking to find shop and operator manuals. Thanks!

1): Deciphering serial plate

IP: 75.105.32.39 Posted on August 3, 2012 at 07:10:58 AM by Larry Harsin

The serial number for your tractor is 207 032. It was built in 1968. The last 3 numbers you gave, in the serial number is the transmission code. We don't have any info on these or the other number. Larry


remote valve on 550

IP: 64.130.145.61 Posted on August 1, 2012 at 03:19:56 PM by roger w

I now have the vickers SP221 remote valve installed with two couplers, but I do not have power down. Is this possible with this valve - then what is my problem. Valve does not have a neutral detent feel either. It came off a savage tractor sitting for years on the ground. Thanks again for your expertise! Roger

Re(1): remote valve on 550

IP: 75.107.96.58 Posted on August 2, 2012 at 07:00:38 AM by Larry Harsin

It does not have a detent. It may be simply that the linkage is not moving the valve far enough so that it is not pressurized on the one side. Especially, if it is a used valve. Other than this, I don't know what to suggest. Larry


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