"Ask The Oliver Mechanic" - July, 2012 Archives


Cummins kit

IP: 67.207.228.226 Posted on July 31, 2012 at 09:43:29 PM by Jack

What cummins motor was used in the Oliver tractors when the cummins kit was installed. Was this a factory option or aftermarket

Re(1): Cummins kit

IP: 75.105.32.52 Posted on August 1, 2012 at 06:59:06 AM by Larry Harsin

I think it was put together by after market suppliers. I havn't done it. The engine that was used mostly was the 5.9 six cylinder engine. Larry


1650 Diesel Starting Problem

IP: 99.23.106.55 Posted on July 31, 2012 at 03:32:12 PM by Bill

Per your instructions July 5 I found the timing marks on the fuel injector pump. To set I understand the #1 cylinder is to be on compression. Is this true? I'm assuming the #1 cylinder is the first at the front of the engine? How can I best tell if the #1 cylinder is on compression. Been told to watch for fuel at the injector line. When fuel is seen the cylinder is compressed. If this is true, I've done it and still won't start. Can not find anyone in the area (Waller Texas) who can help me. I really appreciate your help.

Re(1): 1650 Diesel Starting Problem

IP: 75.104.160.54 Posted on August 1, 2012 at 06:57:12 AM by Larry Harsin

When you are watching the valve rocker arms to find #1 top dead center, you watch the rockers on #6 cylinder. When the exhaust closes and the intake rocker just starts to move on #6, you will be at top dead center #1 cylinder. Larry


1600 D

IP: 71.253.66.102 Posted on July 30, 2012 at 10:20:50 AM by Shawn

Will a hydraulic pump from a 1755 D fit a 1600 D thank you you are a big help ..i have a neighbor that has a bunch of olivers 88D,1600D,1750G,1755D parts,1850D parts, #2 1950 detriot and a 2150. i need to fix all of them. Do you sell parts ??? Shawn 724-255-9904 i need a 3 speed for the 2150 and something bout a o ring or seal in tranny that leaks fluid from hydraulics to tranny but im not sure thanks again Shawn

Re(1): 1600 D

IP: 97.73.64.152 Posted on July 30, 2012 at 12:06:04 PM by Larry from MD

No. The 1600 is open ceter hydrolic and the 1755 is a closed center system.

Re(2): 1600 D

IP: 75.107.96.58 Posted on July 31, 2012 at 07:07:58 AM by Larry Harsin

No. Yes, I sell Oliver parts, mostly for the older smaller ones, but not for the 2150. For parts, contact me by email. Our email address is at the top of this page. Larry


S88D clutch

IP: 71.253.66.102 Posted on July 30, 2012 at 06:53:47 AM by Shawn

what is the torque on pressure plate and fly wheel and fly wheel step ? thanks Shawn

Re(1): S88D clutch

IP: 75.104.160.54 Posted on July 30, 2012 at 07:27:40 AM by Larry Harsin

The bolts that hold the flywheel to the crankshaft is 68 lbs. The other bolts, there is no torque given. I'm guessing it would be about 30 lbs. Larry


Oliver 70 trans.

IP: 205.238.210.114 Posted on July 25, 2012 at 08:20:37 PM by steve

I have a 1940 oliver 70 with a 4 speed tranmission and going to purchase another one with a 6 speed. are these the same transmission with the 4 speed having a block on the high gears or did they make both. if so which one is more common.

Re(1): Oliver 70 trans.

IP: 75.104.160.54 Posted on July 27, 2012 at 07:06:40 AM by Larry Harsin

Usually that is the case, that there is a block on the 4 speed. The 6 speed is the more common one. Larry


3 point lift

IP: 75.91.97.93 Posted on July 25, 2012 at 12:16:26 PM by Ken Selph

I have purchased a 1958 550 Oliver. It was totally rebuilt.They said! The 3 point hitch will not lift a 5' tiller. I am hoping i might have hooked something up wrong. Any suggestions?

Re(1): 3 point lift

IP: 75.105.32.52 Posted on July 25, 2012 at 01:17:46 PM by Larry Harsin

It might be that the tiller is heavier than the lift can handle. Larry

Re(2): 3 point lift

IP: 97.73.64.155 Posted on July 25, 2012 at 05:42:09 PM by larry from maryland

It could be several things,might be a weak pump or worn orings in the cylinder or if you have a remote valve the preasure reliefvalve inside could be bad.


Oliver 1955 drive chain coupler

IP: 64.147.45.1 Posted on July 24, 2012 at 01:48:07 PM by Rob Olson

How do you get the connector link in?

Re(1): Oliver 1955 drive chain coupler

IP: 99.196.64.57 Posted on July 25, 2012 at 07:26:09 AM by Larry Harsin

Swear a lot first!!! Take a lot of coffee breaks!!! Then, use one cotter pin to go through both of the connector pins on one side of the connector. This makes it so that the pins in the connector won't spin and wear off the cotters. Larry


Rod journal size

IP: 65.167.211.242 Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:00:55 AM by Mike

I am currently in the process of rebuilding a 1955 oliver super 77 diesel. I need to order rod bearings but don't know what the standard size for the rod journals were from the factory. Could you help me out?

Re(1): Rod journal size

IP: 75.104.160.36 Posted on July 25, 2012 at 07:24:03 AM by Larry Harsin

The standard for the Supers was 2.250. Larry


550 Piston & Sleeve replacement

IP: 75.60.194.48 Posted on July 22, 2012 at 06:10:32 PM by Greg

I installed new piston, ring and sleeve kits along with standard rod bearings. After the installation with the bearing caps just snugged tight, not torqued, we could not turn the crank shaft using a breaker bar on the front pulley bolt. From here, we put the old bearings back in and still could not turn the crank. Next we remove the two inter pistons, and we were able to turn the crank by hand. By the way the tractor was out of gear. This would suggest to me that the rings are tight in the sleeves. Correct? Now for the real question. The plan was to tow the tractor around and allow the rings to wear in some. When we tried to tow the tractor, however, it locked up as soon as it was put in gear, and this was with just two pistons installed in the engine. What would cause the tractor to lock up this? I have done nothing to the rear end.

Re(1): 550 Piston & Sleeve replacement

IP: 75.104.160.36 Posted on July 23, 2012 at 08:10:50 AM by Larry Harsin

I'm wondering if you have the rods put in correctly. Those are off-set rods. You should be able to have that engine altogether and the bearings all torqued up and be able to turn the engine with a breaker bar. Check out those rods and see what you have. Larry

Re(2): 550 Piston & Sleeve replacement

IP: 97.73.64.145 Posted on July 23, 2012 at 11:51:17 AM by larry from maryland

The rods do not all go in the same way 2 point forward and 2 back ward.Allso check that you have the matching rod and rod cap they are numbered.

Re(3): 550 Piston & Sleeve replacement

IP: 75.49.4.232 Posted on July 24, 2012 at 05:39:03 AM by Greg

You were right. I had one of the rods in the wrong way. The starter can now turn the crank without a problem.


550 pto

IP: 65.93.163.185 Posted on July 21, 2012 at 06:10:16 PM by jamie

Larry, I'm missing some pages from my 550 service manual. I'm wondering if there is a specific torque for the spanner nut that tightens the pto clutch spider?

Re(1): 550 pto

IP: 75.105.32.39 Posted on July 23, 2012 at 08:05:42 AM by Larry Harsin

I don't think so. Just get it good and snug and stake it. Larry


Loaders for Super 55

IP: 70.69.44.167 Posted on July 20, 2012 at 01:52:56 PM by Paul S

One day I would like to put a loader on my Super 55 I am restoring and looking for a period correct loader. Mine is a 1955. I have a brochure for a Wagner WM 4 loader for an Oliver, and never see one on the internet for sale. Are they much different than the WM 4 loader for a Ford 8N or 9n? I see tons of those. Are there any other loaders that are correct for that year that you know of.

Re(1): Loaders for Super 55

IP: 75.105.32.39 Posted on July 21, 2012 at 06:50:18 AM by Larry Harsin

The loaders are nearly identical. You may have to fabricate some brackets to make them work. Larry


Bare Block Weight, Super 55/Super 66/550

IP: 152.5.254.20 Posted on July 20, 2012 at 11:44:24 AM by Roger

Does anyone know what this bare cylinder block weighs? No crank, rods, pistons cam, front gear train, just stripped bare weight.

Re(1): Bare Block Weight, Super 55/Super 66/550

IP: 99.196.64.57 Posted on July 21, 2012 at 06:48:42 AM by Larry Harsin

It weighs just shy of 175 lbs. would be my estimate. Larry


1650 DEISEL

IP: 75.108.81.28 Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:56:44 PM by KIM

I wrote about this problem with my tractor dying out while mowing and the problems has gotten worse. I have check all the fuel lines and blew out with air hose and replaced the filters. The fuel has good flow all the way to the Injection Pump. Check the throttle cable and all is OK. The problem with the tractor dying still exist but has gotten worse. I will start it and now it will only run for about 10 seconds then dies. I can wait about one minute and it will start back up but will soon die again. Are there any issues you may know of with the Injection Pump I may need to check. The tractor runs smooth and there is no missing? I have replaced this Injection Pump 3 years ago and find it hard to believe it is worn out? I also checked the Fuel Pump and it is pumping fuel just fine. My 1650 Diesel is starting to loss power then dies after it warms up while mowing today. I shut it off waited a minute then re-started it and ran fine for a few more minutes of mowing but did the same over again Seems to be getting worse.

Re(1): 1650 DEISEL

IP: 75.105.32.39 Posted on July 19, 2012 at 07:21:31 AM by Larry Harsin

Take the fitting out of the top of the pump and make sure it isn't sticking so the pump can't vent. This is the fitting that the return lines hook onto. Larry

Re(2): 1650 DEISEL

IP: 99.23.106.55 Posted on July 31, 2012 at 03:38:04 PM by Bill

I was having this same problem. Took injector pump to shop and was told the governor was out. Pump was rebuilt and I re-installed but now I'm having problems getting it to start. Larry has really been helpful. Good luck.


Oliver 70

IP: 98.125.23.245 Posted on July 18, 2012 at 07:18:14 PM by Louis

Will an engine from an Oliver 77 fit an Oliver 70?

Re(1): Oliver 70

IP: 75.104.160.54 Posted on July 19, 2012 at 07:19:08 AM by Larry Harsin

No. It won't. Larry


880 Wiring

IP: 209.112.238.202 Posted on July 18, 2012 at 01:34:45 AM by Corky Marshall

I'm in the process of rewiring my 880 with one of Korves' harnesses. My 880 has the the original generator with the power steering pump and is still positive ground. There is a resistor wired in that was obviously not factory. One wire runs from the resistor to the coil and from that same terminal back to the ignition switch. The other pole has a wire back to the ignition also, on a different terminal. Can you make a guess as to why that resistor should be there? I was told that maybe there should be a coil with built in resistance. The service manual does give any specs that I could see about the coil. Also, I need a new light switch. Do you have a source for one.

Re(1): 880 Wiring

IP: 75.105.32.39 Posted on July 18, 2012 at 07:00:01 AM by Larry Harsin

Korves has light switches. I don't know why that resistor is on there, but if it works, I'd leave it on there. Larry


Sleeves S77 Diesel

IP: 24.31.182.31 Posted on July 14, 2012 at 06:15:06 AM by Mike

I have a 1955 S77 Diesel. Are the cylinder sleeves wet or dry and how are they removed from the block? Thanks!

Re(1): Sleeves S77 Diesel

IP: 75.105.32.52 Posted on July 14, 2012 at 07:25:40 AM by Larry Harsin

They are wet sleeves. If you don't want to save the sleeves, you can drive them out from the bottom. Otherwise, use a puller. Larry


Oliver Drill

IP: 68.199.186.235 Posted on July 11, 2012 at 09:59:28 PM by chris

What do you think about oliver grain drills, are they good cus i have a chance to buy one i dont wanna waste my money thanks

Re(1): Oliver Drill

IP: 75.105.32.52 Posted on July 12, 2012 at 07:12:33 AM by Larry Harsin

They were good. Make sure it is all there etc. Larry


1800 gas loading up and no power

IP: 64.196.46.198 Posted on July 11, 2012 at 06:30:40 PM by Bryan McCaskey

I have an 1800 that had been in storage 2 years. prior to that it had been changed to 12 volts, had a new cap, rotor, points, condenser. The tractor ran great, now it loads up and lacks power. The fuel has been drained and replaced, plugs checked. it seem that when cool it runs better than after 20 min. Thought the coil may have problems since it is very hot mounted to the block. Any ideas which way to go?

Re(1): 1800 gas loading up and no power

IP: 75.105.32.39 Posted on July 11, 2012 at 08:33:35 PM by Larry Harsin

I really can't say. You are going to have to try different things and see what helps. I'd check the carb and make sure it is getting enough fuel and check the fuel strainer to see that it isn't plugged partially. Also, check the neck of the fuel tank. Larry


Oliver 1650 Head

IP: 184.20.18.187 Posted on July 10, 2012 at 08:38:17 AM by corre k

Would you have the valve specs for the direct injection head I have a shop man. but it only tell me to find a service bulletin number from fractory I heard the intake must be flush but havent found anything on the exhaust thanks for a great site

Re(1): Oliver 1650 Head

IP: 75.104.160.36 Posted on July 11, 2012 at 08:28:22 PM by Larry Harsin

There isn't any specs on the exhaust. You have to use your own judgement. If the seats have been ground very deep, I'd replace them. Larry

Re(1): Oliver 1650 Head

IP: 209.50.28.51 Posted on July 11, 2012 at 10:45:30 PM by B A Star

With the cylinder head upside down on the work bench: the intake valve must be between .014" min to .029" Max above the head surface. Exhaust must be between .026" to .041" above the head surface. The closer to he higher numbers the better it will start. Should your valves be below the numbers you will have to replace the valves and/or the valve seats. Any numnbers below the min will cause hard starting and loss of power. The valves are a majority of the head surface, thus if the valves are below the surface the compression raito is low. These numbers come from Serivce Bulletin # GB-10-106 dated 8-8-77.

Re(2): Oliver 1650 Head

IP: 75.104.160.36 Posted on July 14, 2012 at 07:29:22 AM by Larry Harsin

I didn't read carefully enough. I was talking about the earlier style. Thanks, Duane. Larry

Re(3): Oliver 1650 Head

IP: 184.20.18.187 Posted on July 17, 2012 at 08:24:00 AM by corre k

Thanks for information is the intake the same for both style heads or is it different for the energy still head so the exhaust should be up a bit or sunk into head in its chamber thanks again for your help would a 1800 head specs work for me

Re(3): Oliver 1650 Head

IP: 75.105.32.39 Posted on July 19, 2012 at 07:25:44 AM by Larry Harsin

I don't think the intake should set up as far on the early style. I think .015 is enough protrusion. Larry


Super 77 diesel

IP: 66.103.177.220 Posted on July 9, 2012 at 03:33:51 PM by Bob Elliott

Larry I have two questions, I have a super 77 diesel that blows water out the radiator almost immediately when started, way before it can be hot enough to boil, I replace the headgasket and nothing changed, there is no water in the crankcase. What would you suggest I check next? The other problem is when walking along side the tractor you can hear a clicking noise as if a wheel is loose, but it isn't, it is the left rear wheel, is there a wheel bearing on the outside edge of the axle housing?

Re(1): Super 77 diesel

IP: 75.104.160.36 Posted on July 11, 2012 at 08:26:28 PM by Larry Harsin

I don't know what you are going to find. It has to be getting compression into the water jacket somewhere. It could have a cracked cylinder head. It seems like you should be getting coolant into your oil. If it can go one way, it should be able to go the other way, too. I believe I'd take it off again and have the head pressure tested. 2nd Question: Yes. It could be a bad wheel bearing. It could be an outer one or an inner one. Larry


Hyd. question

IP: 216.176.88.22 Posted on July 6, 2012 at 03:13:43 PM by Steve Coventry

I am tryiny to use a 1650 on a disc mower with a 1-way cyl.so i also need the 3 pt.too Is this possible. I was succesful on my 1600 any help would be very helpful.

Re(1): Hyd. question

IP: 75.104.160.54 Posted on July 8, 2012 at 06:32:59 AM by Larry Harsin

If it worked on your 1600, it should work on your 1650 the same way. Larry


Power Booster

IP: 166.182.3.251 Posted on July 6, 2012 at 09:57:19 AM by ollie

I am working on a 770 Power Booster. My manual says to check the sprague clutch by installing the sprague and the gear on the input shaft, the hold the gear firm and the sprague clutch will only turn one way by hand. Mine does this correct IF you come to a complete stop with the gear and then try to rotate it the other direction. If you change directions without stopping, the sprague does not always "catch". Is this ok, or does the sprague clutch need replaced? Also, had a question on a crankshaft dowel pin. One of the pins is loose in the crank and I can pull it out by hand. It looks like someone made the dowel pin from a cut down bolt? Can I just put some lock-tite on this and be ok? Guy at machine shop suggested that, but thought I would get a second opinion.

Re(1): Power Booster

IP: 75.104.160.54 Posted on July 8, 2012 at 06:31:37 AM by Larry Harsin

I would say the sprag clutch needs to be replaced. I would agree with your machinist on the rest of this. Larry


1650 Oliver Diesel Starting Problem

IP: 99.104.19.34 Posted on July 5, 2012 at 11:41:38 AM by lofton

Larry, on a 1650 Oliver just replace injectors and installed rebuilt injector pump. Blew out all fuel lines, replace diesel with fresh diesel, replaced fuel filters, bled air out of all fuel lines. Appears to be getting plenty of fuel. Will not start. Used starter fluid and will briefly start blowing out black smoke turning blue then died. Any clues?

Re(1): 1650 Oliver Diesel Starting Problem

IP: 97.73.64.143 Posted on July 5, 2012 at 09:21:06 PM by larry from md.

I prefer to pull start a tractor thats been worked over like yours.You checked the operation of the brass checkvalve on the top of injector pump,it has a spring and check ball plus a small restrictor hole so it holds some preasure in the pump.They love to stick or plug when apart.

Re(2): 1650 Oliver Diesel Starting Problem

IP: 75.105.32.52 Posted on July 6, 2012 at 07:30:12 AM by Larry Harsin

Recheck your timing and make sure your timing is correct. Larry


1650 gas head gasket issues

IP: 75.167.227.82 Posted on July 4, 2012 at 03:56:33 PM by matt

Have an opporunity to purchase a 1650 gas that is rough. The owner sad that he has only been able to operate it at 1/2 throttle or it would blow the head gasket. Said he had replaced it several times and still same issue. Any idea what it could be? My guess is decking the block, plaining the head, and then making sure the sleeves are right.

Re(1): 1650 gas head gasket issues

IP: 75.104.160.36 Posted on July 6, 2012 at 07:28:38 AM by Larry Harsin

I think your guess is right on! larry


Steering shaft universal joints in Oliver 66

IP: 75.162.49.112 Posted on July 4, 2012 at 10:57:25 AM by Craig Payne

Is there an easy way to change the universal joints in the steering shafts on a Oliver 66. It appears that one section of the joint is welded to the steering shaft.

Re(1): Steering shaft universal joints in Oliver 66

IP: 76.25.217.7 Posted on July 4, 2012 at 07:05:08 PM by Larry K

We had the same problem with our 77. We took the shaft out and cut the u joint off at the weld and installed a small u joint like you would use on a pto shaft. We drilled the shaft and used a pin rather than weld the new joint to the shaft.

Re(2): Steering shaft universal joints in Oliver 66

IP: 75.162.49.112 Posted on July 5, 2012 at 09:17:47 PM by Craig Payne

Thanks for your help!!

Re(3): Steering shaft universal joints in Oliver 66

IP: 75.105.32.39 Posted on July 6, 2012 at 07:27:37 AM by Larry Harsin

That is the early style and the way to fix it is as Larry K says. Larry


1750 Fuel in Oil

IP: 70.39.15.149 Posted on July 3, 2012 at 08:31:32 PM by Tom

I am getting what looks like deisel fuel in the oil. Any idea's how that could be getting in there?

Re(1): 1750 Fuel in Oil

IP: 69.26.8.98 Posted on July 5, 2012 at 04:56:42 PM by Bill Wagner

My 1650 just had the same problem - it was the lift pump (fuel pump - on the right side of the 1650 engine) that had a crack in the diaphragm and was allowing diesel into the crankcase. Loosen the bolts on the lift pump and if there is diesel that drips out that for sure is the problem. I ordered a new one from Korves Oliver, installed it, changed the oil and the problem was solved.

Re(2): 1750 Fuel in Oil

IP: 75.104.160.36 Posted on July 6, 2012 at 07:26:15 AM by Larry Harsin

If the tractor has transfer pump, it could be leaking through the diaphragm. Otherwise, the leakage is probably in the seals for the injection pump drive shaft. Larry


Oliver 70 engine swap?

IP: 208.54.44.199 Posted on July 3, 2012 at 01:30:28 PM by Brannon

Hi. I'm thinking of building an oliver 70 to pull with my local tractor club. Do you know of another Continental engine that looks the same as the 201 that is stock but with more cubic inches, longer stroke, etc?

Re(1): Oliver 70 engine swap?

IP: 75.104.160.54 Posted on July 6, 2012 at 07:23:10 AM by Larry Harsin

No. I don't know of any. Larry


Lower link help

IP: 140.180.34.177 Posted on July 2, 2012 at 11:20:55 AM by Aric

I have a super 55 with a loader which I love, of course it has some leakes which I will split and rebuild the pto and seals and I guess I should do a drive clutch and seals as well since I am in there thou it works fine? My main concerns that when I have something with some weight attached to the lower link such as a trailer ball the link seaks up and down an inch or two, I would like to know what I might need to do while I have this all apart. I hate to waste time and money if I do not have to. Thank you for any help or advice

Re(1): Lower link help

IP: 97.73.64.160 Posted on July 2, 2012 at 05:10:08 PM by larry from md.

If you have the older model they will settle and recover every 20 seconds or so. Its a built in thing so the pump is not working all the time.

Re(2): Lower link help

IP: 75.107.96.58 Posted on July 3, 2012 at 01:05:29 PM by Larry Harsin

That is sort of the way it is, but while you have it apart, put a new O ring and back up washer on the lift cylinder. It may help it and it may not. But, do that while you are in there. Larry


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