"Ask The Oliver Mechanic" March Through Mid April, 2001 Archives


confused???waterin cylinders??

Posted by Curt on April 12, 2001 at 21:30:45: IP Address: 206.230.115.170 larry, first a big thanks for hosting this site .... i read up on oliver stuff here every week. my problem is that i had head probs on my 88 gas head(k180) was cracked so i found an 880 head (190302e,100330a) from a friend and had it rebuilt. new everything and resurfaced. i installed the head and then started engine for a second to make sure it would run. it did. the next day i installed radiator and added water and as i filled it the water seeped out of the exhaust manifold ports...ended up with water in cylinders and pan. i compared the heads and they look exactly alike on the bottom and the gaskets were the same victor 1857 do you have any ideas or suggestions on where the problem is ????? thanks Curt

Posted by Larry Harsin on April 12, 2001 at 23:18:56: IP Address In Reply to: confused???water in cylinders?? posted by Curt on April 12, 2001 at 21:30:45: Boy, I don't know. Especially with water coming out the exhaust ports. Maybe the head you got wasn't any good and that is why it is not on a tractor. Perhaps you should take the 880 head back to the machine shop and have them pressure test it. Larry


1800s

Posted by Luke Bailey on April 12, 2001 at 10:18:11: IP Address: 207.165.19.2 Thank you for answering my previously posted questions so promptly, and if you don't mind, I would like to ask you a few about the 1800 Oliver. We had an 1800 Gas narrow front B-Series when we farmed, and my dad liked it very much.I was little then, and loved that 1800 more than any other tractor in the world. It, along with our Super 88 Diesel Red Wheel, were sold on our farm auction in 1995. I really miss that tractor. The first place it went to was a dealership in North East Iowa. It then went to a man in that general area. After that, it went to Kruseman Implement in Sully. I inquired Mr.Kruseman about buying it, but he wouldn't sell. I work with one at Chief Alfa, Inc., which is also a B-series narrowfront gas. It is in great shape. What I wanted to ask was: How many hours a fresh 289 will go for if it is extremely well taken care of, doing general field work? How about the 310 Diesel? By the way, how much are you asking for your 1800 C Diesel? Thanks again.

Posted by Larry Harsin on April 12, 2001 at 18:36:19: IP Address: 209.163.7.43 In Reply to: 1800s posted by Luke Bailey on April 12, 2001 at 10:18:11: Luke. A real well maintained 283 in an 1800 B will run 5000 - 7500 hours. The 310 Diesel - 5000 hrs. is about the maximum on those. I am asking $4250 for the 1800 C Diesel. It is a really nice tractor and I think you'd like it. Larry


1800 C Questions

Posted by oliverboy on April 11, 2001 at 21:58:38: IP Address: 205.188.200.41 I am about to purchase an 1800 C that is a gas and it has been majored bout 270 hours ago. Are these good tractors? Are they hard to obtain parts for?? Would it be farely easy to get a wide front end and to change it out?? Thanks, Brandon

Posted by Larry Harsin on April 12, 2001 at 00:01:07: IP Address: 209.163.7.92 In Reply to: 1800 C Questions posted by oliverboy on April 11, 2001 at 21:58:38: Brandon. They are good tractors. It is not hard to find parts for them. Most of them you can find at your AGCO Dealer. You can find wide fronts and they aren't hard to change over. Larry


Water in engine 77RC

Posted by Matt S on April 10, 2001 at 13:28:38: IP Address: 206.66.253.11 Larry- Just got a 77, ran fine prior to tearing into her for a restoration. Checked the cranckcase and didn't seem to have water in it, none obvious anyway. But... when i took the head off and pulled out the pushrods some of them were sitting in water in the top of the lifters..??? Where should I look next to avoid spending $'s on a bad block?

Posted by Larry Harsin on April 11, 2001 at 08:05:18: IP Address: 209.163.7.39 In Reply to: Water in engine 77RC posted by Matt S on April 10, 2001 at 13:28:38: Matt. I'd use compressed air and blow everything out of the crankcase and the block. Then refill it with a 50/50 mixture of antifreeze and water. Then with the oil pan removed, look for leakage around sleeve seals or cracks. Larry

Posted by Larry Wolfe on April 10, 2001 at 20:55:52: IP Address: 64.244.12.225 In Reply to: Water in engine 77RC posted by Matt S on April 10, 2001 at 13:28:38: Oil that flows into the lifters can flow to the crankcase when the lifter is down. So the water sitting in there probably is water that got in after the engine ran.Did the engine have antifreeze and is the lifter water the same? Did the tractor set outside? Did water out of the head get dumped into the

Posted by Matt S on April 11, 2001 at 12:24:44: IP Address: 206.66.253.11 Thanks guys, the water was drained before pulling the head, the engine did have antifreeze in it. It was hard to tell being mixed with the oil and all. It is very possible though that it could just be sweat from the changing seasons now.

Posted by Larry Harsin on April 11, 2001 at 13:55:45: IP Address: 209.163.7.15 In Reply to: Re: Water in engine 77RC posted by Matt S on April 11, 2001 at 12:24:44: That it could be. Larry


1850 Diesels

Posted by Luke Bailey on April 09, 2001 at 16:30:04: IP Address: 207.165.13.173 I am a 16 year old from Grinnell, Iowa. I grew up on Olivers, my favorite being our 1800 B series Narrowfront gas. My dad has always said that Oliver's finest were the Fleetline and Super Series, and I would like another opinion on this matter. We have an ex-Oliver dealer here in town by the name of Campbell Implement, and he says the same. I would like to buy an 1850 diesel, narrowfront one day, but my dad says from what he has seen, the Perkins Diesels smoke and leak oil like the dickens. But then I ask Campbell, and he says that the Perkins were outstanding engines. On this subject, I would like your opinion as well. Do you have any idea as to where I can buy a good/fair 1850 Diesel narrowfront? Please e-mail me if you do at DetroitDieselNut@Yahoo.com. Your time is much appreciated.

Posted by Shep on April 12, 2001 at 17:11:56: IP Address: 216.76.116.104 In Reply to: 1850 Diesels, questions posted by Luke Bailey on April 09, 2001 at 16:30:04: There are several for sale on the web at www.agcocorp.com. Look in the machinery locator under oliver. I have had real good luck with my 1850 Diesel wide front, wish I had another one...

Posted by Larry Harsin on April 10, 2001 at 08:54:12: IP Address: 209.163.7.47 In Reply to: 1850 Diesels, questions posted by Luke Bailey on April 09, 2001 at 16:30:04: Luke. I tend to agree with your Father about the oil leaking problems on the Perkins. Also I agree that some of the finest Olivers were the Fleetline and the Super Series. I left the Oliver Dealership in 1969 to start farming and after I left, many good improvements were done on the Perkins engine. A lot of people think the Perkins is a very good engine. I don't have an 1850 D at this time. Larry


Oliver parts

Posted by Rooster on April 09, 2001 at 04:17:20: IP Address: 12.28.99.68 Hey Larry, I'm wondering if you know where I can get some new or good used governor weights for a '52 Oliver 88. Also, where can I get governor parts (new or used) for a '38 Oliver 70 RC? I need most internal parts of the governor including the bearings, spool, and weights, plus I need the lever on the outside of the housing which hooks up the rod to the carburetor. One other question: What rear tractor tires are the best at pulling on sod on clay? What brands last longest? Thanks for your help.

Posted by Larry Harsin on April 09, 2001 at 08:07:33: IP Address: 209.163.7.69 In Reply to: Oliver parts posted by Rooster on April 09, 2001 at 04:17:20: Rooster. I can fix you up with some used weights for the 88. For the 70 I need to know if the governor is for a 3 gear engine or a 5 gear engine. About the tires, I don't know. I prefer the Firestone tire with 23 degree bars for pulling. They seem to wear o.k. also. Larry

Posted by Sam Sewall on April 10, 2001 at 15:41:28: IP Address: 63.126.33.226 In Reply to: Re: Oliver parts posted by Larry Harsin on April 09, 2001 at 08:07:33: I have an Oliver tractor that I purchased from the military. It has a name plate with a couple of numbers on it and it needs a new engine. The numbers are 37-1588 the serial # is 68 325-721 These are the only numbers I can find on the tractor and I need some help to indentify what engine it has. It is a gas engine! Thanks

Posted by Larry Wolfe on April 10, 2001 at 20:47:30: IP Address: 64.244.12.225 In Reply to: Re: Oliver tractor posted by Sam Sewall on April 10, 2001 at 15:41:28: I would guess it to be a 770 engine.More info would help. The engine should have casting numbers on the block on the side. They should start something like 1m1oo or m1oo.That will tell you its a 770 block if 6 cylinders or 550 block if 4 cylinders. The serial numbers you posted should be for some variaton of a 770.

Posted by Rooster on April 10, 2001 at 06:45:13: IP Address: 12.28.99.145 In Reply to: Re: Oliver parts posted by Larry Harsin on April 09, 2001 at 08:07:33: Larry, the 70 engine is a 5 gear engine. About the 88 weights, are the holes wore a lot? Would you have a good bearing, race, and spool also for it? Also, this tractor would surge whenever it was being worked moderately. We want to fix this. We measured the bumper spring and it is about 3/8" long, and the manual says it should be 7/16-1/2" long. Would just replacing this part stop the surging or is it worth replacing the thrust washer, bushing in block, bushing in governor housing, bearing, race, and spool, etc.? Thanks for any help you give.

Posted by Larry Harsin on April 10, 2001 at 08:45:26: IP Address: 209.163.7.47 In Reply to: Re: Oliver parts posted by Rooster on April 10, 2001 at 06:45:13: Rooster. You have to check for wear on the bushing in the block, the gear and the thrust washer. They have to all be in good condition to hold the governor far enough forward so that the governor can make contact with the bumper spring. If you want parts, you will have to buy them from AGCO. I have a complete used governor assembly for $100. You could also get a new set of governor pins from AGCO and that will help with the loose weights. About the 70, I have a used governor for the 5 gear engine. I'll check it to make sure it is usable. I'll sell the complete governor assembly for $75 (for the 70). Larry

Posted by Rooster on April 11, 2001 at 05:17:58: IP Address: 12.28.99.97 In Reply to: Re: Oliver parts posted by Larry Harsin on April 10, 2001 at 08:45:26: Larry, we priced some of the parts new from AGCO. For one of the cold rolled pins for the weights, they wanted almost $23 a piece! $70 for the bearing, race, and spool. Weights are no longer available. We matched the cold rolled pins at NAPA, got them for $.35 each. Much cheaper. That took quite a bit of play out of the weights. So what would you say would be the most important things to replace? Bumper spring, copper thrust washer, and bushing in engine block? Let me know about the 70 governor. Does it have the arms on the outside that run the rod to the carburetor

Posted by Larry Harsin on April 11, 2001 at 08:10:26: IP Address: 209.163.7.39 In Reply to: Re: Oliver parts posted by Rooster on April 11, 2001 at 05:17:58: I would replace the spring, the copper washer and the bushing in the block. A little bit of play on the governor weights is o.k. I'll check on the 70 governor and get back to you. Larry

Posted by Larry Harsin on April 11, 2001 at 19:22:25: IP Address: 209.163.7.73 In Reply to: Re: Oliver parts posted by Larry Harsin on April 11, 2001 at 08:10:26: I have a governor for a 70 with a 5 gear engine. It appears to be o.k. $75 plus shipping, as is complete with housing and levers. Why don't you contact us in email if you want this. Send your address, too. Larry

Posted by Rooster on April 13, 2001 at 05:58:15: IP Address: 12.28.99.69 In Reply to: Re: Oliver parts posted by Larry Harsin on April 11, 2001 at 19:22:25: Larry, would you have a 10x38 pressed steel rim for an Oliver 66? How about a valve cover breather and side panels and curtains for a 66?

Posted by Rooster on April 15, 2001 at 03:38:26: IP Address: 12.28.99.103 In Reply to: Re: Oliver parts posted by Rooster on April 13, 2001 at 05:58:15: Larry, I don't need the pressed steel rim for the 66 anymore. But would you have the engine breather and side curtains for it? Also, would you have a valve spring for the '38 70 engine and also a clutch return spring for it? Thanks.

Posted by Larry Harsin on April 16, 2001 at 20:24:29: IP Address: 209.163.7.83 In Reply to: Re: Oliver parts posted by Rooster on April 15, 2001 at 03:38:26: Rooster, I don't have the side curtains for the 66. I think I do have the other parts. I'll look in the morning. Why don't you send your email address so I can let you know when I check. Larry


Cockshutt 550 diesel

Posted by Mike Nassif on April 07, 2001 at 15:35:09: IP Address: 199.3.100.18 Larry, what can you tell me about this model tractor? Specifically, weaknesses & stuff to watch out for. Thanks, Mike Nassif

Posted by Larry Harsin on April 07, 2001 at 23:19:40: IP Address: 209.163.7.49 In Reply to: Cockshutt 550 diesel posted by Mike Nassif on April 07, 2001 at 15:35:09: Mike. There could be 2 different 550 Diesels here. Do you have the one built by Oliver for Cockshutt or the one built by Cockshutt? The Serial Number tag will tell where it was built. If this is a tractor that was built at Charles City Ia, they are excellent little tractors, very much in demand. I would say they were just top notch in every respect. Larry

Posted by Mike Nassif on April 08, 2001 at 23:06:38: IP Address: 199.3.100.18 In Reply to: Re: Cockshutt 550 diesel posted by Larry Harsin on April 07, 2001 at 23:19:40: Larry, I think that this is a real Cockshutt 550. Do you feel as good about them as you do the Oliver built ones? Thanks, Mike

Posted by Larry Harsin on April 09, 2001 at 08:12:30: IP Address: 209.163.7.69 In Reply to: Re: Cockshutt 550 diesel posted by Mike Nassif on April 08, 2001 at 23:06:38: Mike. I'm not real knowledgeable on the Cockshutt built 550. I would worry about where to get parts etc. Contact Tim Smith at Smitty's Tractor Parts in Dalton OH. 330-832-9792 Larry


front axle shaft

Posted by Dan on April 07, 2001 at 12:08:19: IP Address: 208.155.4.19 I am looking for a front axle shaft for a 1968 Oliver 1950T 4wd tractor. If anyone might know of the whereabouts of one it would be greatly appreciated. Thank You.

Posted by Larry Harsin on April 07, 2001 at 23:14:12: IP Address: 209.163.7.49 In Reply to: front axle shaft posted by Dan on April 07, 2001 at 12:08:19: Dan. Call Tom at O'Brien Co. Impl. 800-320-6224. He may be able to help you. Larry


770 engine

Posted by Jarrett V. on April 06, 2001 at 13:01:16: IP Address: 209.163.1.75 Hi Larry, a couple questions: what is the valve lift on a 770 gas? Is there plenty of valve clearance in the cyclinder ? Do you have a carb for a 1650 ?

Posted by Larry Harsin on April 06, 2001 at 23:44:10: IP Address: 209.163.7.10 In Reply to: 770 engine posted by Jarrett V. on April 06, 2001 at 13:01:16: Hi Jarrett. I don't know exactly what the valve lift is without checking my service manual but there is plenty of room in the combustion chamber. You can measure the amount of movement of the valve when you turn the engine. That is the valve lift. I don't have a carb for a 1650. Larry


Hydraulics

Posted by Jim T. on April 01, 2001 at 20:48:09: IP Address: 208.50.80.71 Can you tell me the difference between the Series 1,Series 2, and Series 3 systems on 77's and 88's? I've seen the different style levers but don't know which is which (best). NON Electro. Also what are you asking for your 3 bottom plow? Love your site! Thanks

Posted by Larry Harsin on April 02, 2001 at 08:10:20: IP Address: 209.163.7.26 In Reply to: Hydraulics posted by Jim T. on April 01, 2001 at 20:48:09: Jim. I am asking $450 for the plow. The Series 1 came in 1949 and was the first hydro-electric units. Series 2 was improved by having the electro-magnetic depth stop adjustment in lieu of the finger style. Series 3 was introduced on the Super Series in late 1954. It was an improved version that incorporated a hydraulic filter, improved wiring harnesses and manual levers to actuate the valves instead of the switches on the steering column. Some of the late Series 2 also had a filter built in. The Non-electro style was less problems if you did not need the convenience of the depth stop being adjustable from the seat. Larry


1850D

Posted by TwinRotor on March 30, 2001 at 20:46:13: IP Address: 208.33.201.186 We have a 1969 1850 with the non asperated 354 Perkins. It was overhauled five years ago it dosen't use a drop of oil and has plenty of power, but it runs a little rough. Just above idle it runs fine, but when it gets under a pull at that speed it sounds like its missing. Wide open is when it runs the best under load. I was thinking it might be the injection pump or the injectors I'm not for sure.

Posted by Larry Harsin on March 30, 2001 at 21:37:13: IP Address: 209.163.7.20 In Reply to: 1850D poste I have worked on a lot of tractors that ran that way. I would have the pump checked and pull the injectors and have them checked. Larry


Drive Coupler

Posted by Drew on March 26, 2001 at 20:48:36: IP Address: 64.12.102.17 Larry before i start serching could you tell me if the drive coupler on a 77rc is the same as a 66rc, my coupler is broke on my 66. Just thought it may give me a wider search area. Thanks Larry for any help and really enjoy your wonderful knowledge of olivers.

Posted by Larry Harsin on March 26, 2001 at 23:48:14: IP Address: 209.163.7.6 In Reply to: Drive Coupler posted by Drew on March 26, 2001 at 20:48:36: Drew. That drive coupler is different on a 66 than a 77. I don't have one. Tom at O'Brien Co Impl. might have one. 800-320-6224. Larry


1755 engine

Posted by Don on March 25, 2001 at 12:28:52: IP Address: 205.188.196. Larry- What model waukeshaw deisel was put into the 1755? i may have found one but i am comparing notes. also, about how much would the block be worth? Don

Posted by Larry Harsin on March 26, 2001 at 08:16:00: IP Address: 209.163.7.16 In Reply to: 1755 engine posted by Don on March 25, 2001 at 12:28:52: Don. We call that the 310. I'm a poor one to ask the value of that block, but they are in demand. Depending on your area they could be $750 to $1500. Before you do anything, check with someone else. Call Tom at O'Brien Co. Impl. 800-320-6224. He is more up to speed on that. Larry

Posted by Don on March 27, 2001 at 20:19:53: IP Address: 64.12.103.22 In Reply to: Re: 1755 engine posted by Larry Harsin on March 26, 2001 at 08:16:00: I have a guy who just offered me a 1750 block for $500. is the only real difference the slight drop in hp, if any? how big is the drop if there is one? Don

Posted by Larry Harsin on March 30, 2001 at 21:41:19: IP Address: 209.163.7.20 In Reply to: Re: 1755 engine posted by Don on March 27, 2001 at 20:19:53: Don. There is really no difference. If it is a good block, I'd grab it. Larry


OC-96

Posted by dan on March 23, 2001 at 21:24:38: IP Address: 63.29.19.99 Looking for cam shaft for an DD198H Engine . Also Oil Pump

Posted by Larry Harsin on March 23, 2001 at 23:02:36: IP Address: 209.163.7.50 In Reply to: OC-96 posted by dan on March 23, 2001 at 21:24:38: Dan. For OC-96 parts, Landis Zimmerman is the guy to call. 717-738-2573 Larry

Posted by Dan on March 22, 2001 at 22:17:01: IP Address: 63.20.200.65 Larry: I have an OC-96 with an DD198H engine. The injection pump is bad and the small little circular spring is gone. I called Zimmermans but they want @ 800 for a rebuilt pump. Any ideas were I can find one that is in working condition?? Thanks Dan

Posted by Larry Harsin on March 23, 2001 at 07:19:54: IP Address: 209.163.7.88 In Reply to: Injection Pump for an OC-96 posted by Dan on March 22, 2001 at 22:17:01 Dan. Are you talking about Zimmerman's here in Iowa or Landis Zimmerman in Ephrata PA? If Landis doesn't have it, I don't know who would. His phone is: 717-738-2573. Larry


Perkins Crankshaft

Posted by Shep on March 22, 2001 at 09:00:52: IP Address: 216.76.116.104 Larry, I found that I had cracked the crankshaft in my 1850 Oliver. It has a dot 1 354ci perkins diesel. I have looked many places and everyone wants $1,200 to $1,500 for a used crank that they will not stand behind. Do you know of any used cranks in your area that are more reasonable than that, and not broken. Any other ideas??

Posted by Larry Harsin on March 22, 2001 at 20:49:41: IP Address: 209.163.7.5 In Reply to: Perkins Crankshaft posted by Shep on March 22, 2001 at 09:00:52: Shep. Check with Tom at O'Brien Co Impl. 800-320-6224. Larry

Posted by Shep... Found one on April 12, 2001 at 17:17:29: IP Address: 216.76.116.104 In Reply to: Re: Perkins Crankshaft posted by Larry Harsin on March 22, Just wanted to let you know I found a crank just as I was about to try your source. I found one that had been ground 10 on rods and mains and was ready to put in for $600, in Ohio. Hopefully the 1850 will be back togeather soon. Thanks for your help anyway.

Posted by Larry Harsin on April 12, 2001 at 18:40:05: IP Address: 209.163.7.43 In Reply to: Re: Perkins Crankshaft posted by Shep... Found one on April 12, 2001 at 17:17:29: Congratulations! You got a good buy! Larry


Hydra-lectric Cylinder Parts

Posted by Cliff on March 19, 2001 at 17:15:50: IP Address: 207.109.248.3 Larry - Thank you for this very informative and helpful page! I am rebuilding a pair of cylinders for my S77. They are the type 3 "electromagnetic" cylinders. I need a pair of stop collars and at least one of the retainer rings that hold the head in the cylinder. Also an electromagnet. Would you happen to have any of these part?

Posted by Larry Harsin on March 20, 2001 at 00:05:29: IP Address: 209.163.7.11 In Reply to: Hydra-lectric Cylinder Parts posted by Cliff on March 19, 2001 at 17:15:50: Cliff. I don't have any of these parts. Contact Tom at O'Brien Co. Impl.: 800-320-6224 Larry


Olivers on Auction

Posted by Dave on March 17, 2001 at 23:16:34: IP Address: 216.145.201.59 Hi Larry. Just wanted to let you and the readers know of an auction with a few olivers on. March 24, Sat @ 10:00 in Lyndon Station, WI. Oliver 1650 diesel, oliver 950 diesel wheatland, Oliver 70 (1939) NF restored, Oliver super 66 nf gas, Oliver 880 gas, NF, with poulson loader, oliver Mdl 18 combine, Side panels for 66,77,88 gas and diesel, super side panels, some grills, and fender ext.for 77-88. email for more info. Thanks.

Posted by Larry Harsin on March 20, 2001 at 00:02:29: IP Address: 209.163.7.11 In Reply to: Olivers on Auction posted by Dave on March 17, 2001 at 23:16:34: Dave. Thanks for letting me know. I am unable to attend that day. Sounds like fun. Larry


oliver 70

Posted by Russ on March 17, 2001 at 22:20:20: IP Address: 198.88.216.26 Larry, do you know any thing about a 1936 oliver 70 that has two mufflers on it i am looking at buying one is this something oliver did or what some one done to it i havent seen one like it and was wondering what it might be worth it does run but not real well thanks for any help.??????????

Posted by Larry Harsin on March 19, 2001 at 23:58:46: IP Address: 209.163.7.11 In Reply to: oliver 70 posted by Russ on March 17, 2001 at 22:20:20: Russ. Originally they were built with one exhaust pipe. It has been changed, which is easy to do. The 2nd. exhaust doesn't make it worth any more. If the tractor runs and it is complete - lights are on it shields and side panels on it - in this area they are worth about $1000. Larry


1250

Posted by CHARLIE BUNCH on March 14, 2001 at 12:49:16: IP Address: 204.180.102.19 LARRY I HAVE A 1250 OLIBVER AND WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE TO GET A SHOP/SERVICE MANUAL FOR IT. ANY INFORMATION WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. THANKS CHARLIE BUNCH

Posted by Larry Harsin on March 19, 2001 at 23:53:59: IP Address: 209.163.7.11 In Reply to: 1250 posted by CHARLIE BUNCH on March 14, 2001 at 12:49:16: Charlie. Contact Mary Ann Townsend at HPOCA Hdqt. in Charles City: hpocacc@fiai.net Larry

Posted by larry Wolfe on March 14, 2001 at 19:49:11: IP Address: 64.244.12.81 In Reply to: 1250 posted by CHARLIE BUNCH on March 14, 2001 at 12:49:16: Look back in the archives the answer should be there.


66 ROW CROP

Posted by Butch on March 13, 2001 at 13:09:03: IP Address: 205.188.197.37 Hi Larry, I wrote to you some time ago about a rescued 66 rowcrop. I have finally gotten back to it. It appears that the engine has taken on entirely too much water. Two valves are rusted shut and the # 3 cylinder is completely rusted, frozen in place and there was actally water standing on top of the piston when I pulled the head. I have priced the rebuild kits and consulted a local machine shop for help. The cost of rebuild(plus any other repairs) seems somewhat prohibitive verses the value of the functionality for me. I estimate about $12-$1500.00 for engine and pto parts and repair. Plus the condition of the hydraulics and transmission are also unknown. The appearance of the tractor is deceiving good (verses my description) and all the sheet metal is present but with a hole cut for an exhaust pipe. The tires are low but appear in good shape and I have the drawbar, 3-pt hitch and front wheel weights. I have also had the starter repaired. My question is what is a fair price for the tractor as is and do you know anyone interested? I would also be interested in a trade for a working tractor, w/ compensation added if required.It seems to me the money I would have to put into this tractor would go along way toward a utility tractor that would better serve my needs. Perhaps someone looking to restore a 66 for show would be better served. I appreciate any input on your part and thanks again for your time. The tractor is a 1950 66 rowcrop, serial # 423623. I am located in Fredericksburg, Va. Tel 540-972-3639 after 6 pm

Posted by Larry Harsin on March 13, 2001 at 14:28:49: IP Address: 209.163.7.99 In Reply to: 66 ROW CROP posted by Butch on March 13, 2001 at 13:09:03: Butch. If you weren't so far away, I'd be interested in it. I don't have any utility tractors at this time. As far as value, I would rate that tractor from $800 - $1200. I do have a sleeve and piston that would probably fit it. I'll let you know if I learn of a utility tractor for sale. Larry

Posted by Butch on March 13, 2001 at 17:01:10: IP Address: 64.12.102.43 In Reply to: Re: 66 ROW CROP posted by Larry Harsin on March 13, 2001 at 14:28:49: Thanks Larry, I have'nt totally given up on the beast just yet. I am assuming the rebuild would include the entire engine. I figure if I was going to pull it down I may as well go thru the whole thing, but who knows? How much for the piston and sleeve? Rings too? I have'nt decided just what to do yet. Is my repair dollar figure reasonable? I will also need pto parts, but I,m not certain what. I figure the back end ain't much good without the front! One fellow here in my area pulls with old John Deeres, he says the rowcrops will out pull most other tractors, even with much greater horsepower. I may find something to trade out yet. Also my company periodically ships some of our products to various parts of the country. We contract a local independent and reserve a 53' box trailer that is'nt even 1/10 full. I'll keep in touch if it seems we have anything going close to your way or to anyone you know may be interested. Thanks again Larry, Have yourself a good evening!!!!

Posted by Larry Harsin on March 13, 2001 at 20:18:20: IP Address: 209.163.7.80 In Reply to: Re: 66 ROW CROP posted by Butch on March 13, 2001 at 17:01:10: Butch. I want $50 for the sleeve and piston. I can get you some rings - approx. $15 - $20 per cylinder. I don't think your repair estimate is too far off. I think I have the PTO parts that you need. I agree with the statement about the Row Crop Power. Keep in touch. If you need anything email us. We will be gone the rest of this week to the Winter Get-Together for the HPOCA in Auburn IN. Larry

Posted by larry Wolfe on March 13, 2001 at 19:19:07: IP Address: 64.244.13.58 In Reply to: Re: 66 ROW CROP posted by Butch on March 13, 2001 at 17:01:10: There should be plenty of guys interested in your tractor right where it is,as long as the price is right.I know of several in the tractor clubs in virgina and maryland.Go to one of the pulls or shows in this area and advertise it.


88 rocker arm shaft

Posted by drew on March 12, 2001 at 23:04:11: IP Address: 205.188.200.37 larry my 88 gas tractor has wickless rockers with bushings in them. the shop manual says the hole in the rocker arm shaft should be at the top with wickless rockers and pointing to the valves with the older rockers, but my shaft has two holes one out each side and can not be turned. Could the shaft be missed matched with the wrong rockers or the other way around. also when standing in front of the tractor the holes in the rocker bushings are at about 1:30, is this correct. the reason for asking is i have 10-12 psi oil pressure but not all rockers are oiling properly. Thanks for any help.

Posted by Larry Harsin on March 13, 2001 at 08:26:17: IP Address: 209.163.7.90 In Reply to: 88 rocker arm shaft posted by drew on March 12, 2001 at 23:04:11: Drew. The problem you describe is a common problem. Someone may have put new rocker arms on an old shaft or something like that. As far as the way I cope with it, I've found that if the engine has a proper thermostat installed, so that the engine is running at the reccommended temp, that proper lubrication will take place even though some of the rocker arms do not appear to be receiving their share of oil. In other words, what I am saying is, that oil fumes will lubricate your valve system regardless. Larry


Thanks Larry

Posted by Fred on March 05, 2001 at 01:12:55: IP Address: 63.24.26.246 Thanks again for the info Larry! love your page Been having a great time reading all the post:-)


Fender Tanks

Posted by Rusty on March 02, 2001 at 19:33:49: IP Address: 152.163.204.207 Hi Larry, I was referred to your web sight and just love the sight. I'm looking for a set of fender tanks for a Minneapolis-Moline 1355. I believe they should be the same as the Oliver, so I thought I'd ask you. I have a auxillary tank mounted on the front, but would rather have a set of the fender tanks. Do you know of any place that has retro fit tanks, or where I can find a set of used tanks? Thanks Rusty

Posted by Larry Harsin on March 03, 2001 at 22:59:53: IP Address: 209.163.7.36 In Reply to: Fender Tanks posted by Rusty on March 02, 2001 at 19:33:49: I think they are probably the same. There is a pair of them availabale locally here. I will check them out and get back to you. Larry

Posted by Rusty on March 05, 2001 at 23:46:41: IP Address: 205.188.198.38 In Reply to: Re: Fender Tanks posted by Larry Harsin on March 03, 2001 at 22:59:53: Larry, I've talked to the local AGCO dealer, and although the tanks are out of production, they think there's a company that makes retro fit tanks. Thanks and we enjoy your website. Rusty

Posted by Larry Harsin on March 06, 2001 at 23:36:02: IP Address: 209.163.7.29 In Reply to: Re: Fender Tanks posted by Rusty on March 05, 2001 at 23:46:41: I checked with the fellow who has the fenders. He called me back today. The fenders that he has do not have lights. Otherwise they are complete. He wants $350 plus shipping. These were on a 1750D. Larry

Posted by Rusy on March 07, 2001 at 09:32:48: IP Address: 205.188.192.163 In Reply to: Re: Fender Tanks posted by Larry Harsin on March 06, 2001 at 23:36:02: Larry, Thanks for checking for me. The tractor I have has a cab with the fenders ready for installation of fender tanks. Would he be intersted in selling just the tanks if I can't order them through AGCO? Rusty

Posted by Shep on March 20, 2001 at 16:02:56: IP Address: 216.76.116.104 In Reply to: Re: Fender Tanks posted by Rusy on March 07, 2001 at 09:32:48: I have a set of fender tanks that fit on the outside of an 1855 cab. They bolt on to the outside of the cab. I may be interested in selling them if you want.

Posted by Larry Harsin on March 08, 2001 at 23:35:23: IP Address: 209.163.7.50 In Reply to: Re: Fender Tanks posted by Rusy on March 07, 2001 at 09:32:48: This fellow doesn't want to sell just the tanks. He wants to sell the whole units. Larry


Category 2 or 3?

Posted by Roy on March 02, 2001 at 19:04:19: IP Address: 152.163.204.194 I have a 1972 model 2255 and recently called AGCO to order parts for the three point hitch. They asked if I had a category two or three. I believe it's a category two, but wanted to ask how to be sure before I ordered the parts. Thanks Roy

Posted by Larry Harsin on March 02, 2001 at 19:36:33: IP Address: 209.163.7.26 In Reply to: Category 2 or 3? posted by Roy on March 02, 2001 at 19:04:19: Roy. All the 2255's that I have seen are category 2. I would guess that that is what you have. Do you have an Operator's Manual? It should tell in there. Larry

Posted by Roy on March 02, 2001 at 19:39:15: IP Address: 152.163.204.213 In Reply to: Re: Category 2 or 3? posted by Larry Harsin on March 02, 2001 at 19:36:33: Larry, Thanks for your quick reply. I have recently ordered a manual, but haven't received it yet. I thought it was a category two, but wanted to check first. Thanks again. Roy

Posted by larry wolfe on March 04, 2001 at 11:18:57: IP Address: 64.244.12.26 In Reply to: Re: Category 2 or 3? posted by Roy on March 02, 2001 at 19:39:15: Category 2 should have the lift arms about 32 inches apart (center to center) Pins are 1 1/8 .


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